In addition to playing a trio of acoustic takes on bigger, bolder album cuts, guitarist Zack Lopez and drummer Sean Stockham also discussed the new approach that went into their latest album, Pick Up Your Head, in this extended interview.
I have no space, no room to move around And this box is getting smaller, I'm trying to get out ever been in growing up, you know so although we went through different bands we were always the core of whatever bands we were in. And it just, it was more or less a matter of, I think we'd always been looking for a certain sound and it's blowin' our minds that we'd never find it. So we'd get this singer, and get this singer, and this bass player and, you know constantly swapping out members. Going through two or three years of playin' shows and building it up, making, releasing some of them, throwin' it away. Like we're constantly in the state of starting over, and it wasn't until we kind of took a step back and started over with this band and decided that maybe surroundin' ourselves with other people isn't the right thing to do. It was like oh, shit, now we get it, you know? It's our second album. New songs, new attitudes, new feelings. - Whole new look. - We're excited, we felt like the first, you know the first album cycle and everything leading up to that was, like, 40 years long, so it's good to get a new one out. - This time around I don't think there was really a clear focus of what we were doing. I think we did the same thing we always do, just stockpile songs and then it had to be done by a certain date, and then pick a handful of 'em and then put 'em on a record. Yeah, we never really sat down and said, alright this month we're going to write our record or somethin', you know? I don't think that's really a context we work well in. So we're just always tryin' to put things together, always tryin' to have somethin' to pull from for a new release. - I think these songs were written in a smaller period of time, but closer together so they probably naturally sound a little bit more like they belong on the same record. Whereas maybe we felt like the first record was like a greatest hits of our last three or four years even though nothing had ever come out. I've been left behind I've been up, but mostly down I've been right, I've been left I've been wrong, I've been left behind I've been up, but mostly down - Think when we're in the studio, at some point you kinda make the decision whether or not you're gonna even, like, care about how it's done live, you know? We work better when we just don't think about it. And just whatever the song needs at that moment just put it on and just worry about it later. So we knew it, we knew we were gonna have a pretty big challenge at the end of it. Like, okay not we gotta find some people to play with. - We had written so many songs in the past with that same attitude that we've never played live because we're just not capable of playin' it live as two guys. And so, you know, where there are songs that people wanna hear, like, oh play this one, play that one and it's like, well we've recorded that and it's our song but we've never even played it live, you know? So in this you can't really have a whole record like that, you know? I was like, we gotta find a way to make this thing sound rad, sound like the record in a live context and, you know, we were fortunately able to do that. We're still kinda messin' around with things, you know? We're just sittin' in the van on drives working songs out, you know, so it's cool to be able to do that. I think, you know, we have a goal of tryin' to do a more stripped down version of the songs in general just that aren't blazing loud, you know? Once we have time, sit down and figure somethin' like that out. You remind me of someone that I used to love You remind me of ten years ago - I think, I mean we're validated personally just hearin' something back initially. It wasn't like, I mean we'd spent so much time looking for other people's validation in our old bands and never genuinely getting it. - And probably never even feeling it ourselves either, you know? - Yeah, definitely. And then now knowing exactly why, you know? So as soon as we started gettin' these songs down it was like, man, it almost became a we could care less what anyone else thinks. And whenever you take that attitude then people start comin' around, you know? If you believe in your stuff so much they go, man there has to be somethin' there, and then on top of it, New Low to get the success that it did without any labels. It just reassured that we're doin' the exact thing we needed to be doing. Most proud? Probably the idea that we're still somehow doin' this. You know, that we've managed to release music, and tour around and, we tend to get caught up in the negative side of things, or probably not be the most positive guys, but just the fact that we're still puttin' out records and touring around, we're pretty grateful for that. - Yeah, probably just the fact that we kind of, at some point, grabbed the reigns and just decided that we needed to steer this thing, which is what anybody should be doing the whole time. But when you're 16 years old and, you know, just don't really have that kind of confidence and you're sort of thrown into this huge industry that you have no idea how it even operates, you know? So to have gone through that whole experience on our last band and learned a hell of a lot now, just to be doin' what we want, when we want usually. You stole me, You stole me So keep on acting innocent - Hey, what's up? This is Zack and Sean from MC Rut. You're watchin' Baeble Music. You stole me
When we last saw MIDDLE CLASS RUT, the band was tearing through a North American tour in support of 2010's No Name No Color and hit single "New Low." The song shot to No. 5 at alternative radio, its companion video (http://bit.ly/Ketxkv) racked up more than 4 million YouTube views and Middle Class Rut was, as USA Today declared, "on the verge."
The Sacramento, CA-based duo of vocalist/guitarist Zack Lopez and vocalist/drummer Sean Stockham shared stages with the likes of Muse, Social Distortion, Them Crooked Vultures, Alice In Chains, 30 Seconds To Mars and Linkin Park and more than held their own, drawing rave reviews from NME, the BBC, Alternative Press and Kerrang!, who proclaimed, "Their sound is nothing short of colossal, and one that a mere two-piece shouldn't be able to create, combining the boisterous swagger and pomp of Jane's Addiction and the feral fury of Rage Against the Machine." Added Alternative Press, "its mind-blowing to witness the sheer depth and complexity of the sound these two guys are capable of unleashing on their own."
Lopez and Stockham are raising the bar with Pick Up Your Head, an album that sees the duo opening up their sound. "We realized wed exhausted everything we could do with drums, guitar, and vocals," Lopez explains. "Once we decided to take an 'anything goes' approach, the songs poured out. We were freer with layering and didnt worry if we couldnt reproduce it live, as long as we captured the music with the highest energy possible."
Mixed by Grammy winning producer Dave Sardy (Johnny Cash, LCD Soundsystem, Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds), the album was produced by the duo working alone in the studio. "We wanted to have a distinct sound," Lopez says. "Instead of jamming together, Id write a bass line or a vocal melody. Sean would lay down a tempo and wed write around that. For percussion, wed use whatever was laying around pots and pans, an old desk anything with a nice crack and ring to it."
They recorded together in one room, so the music and vocals bleed into each other to preserve the feeling of a live performance. "There are more layers on this album, but weve been playing together so long, there was never a conversation about what kind of record we were going to make," Stockham says. "The songs and arrangements evolved as we played them."
The music on Pick Up Your Head has a denser, fuller sound than before, with Lopez playing bass and rhythm guitar, sometimes laying down multi-tracked parts. "On every song, we added percussive elements that play along with the drums to get a more spontaneous bang to build off of. Its not overkill, but it does sound more like a normal rock band. We had a budget, but we didn't send out for any fancy equipment. I used my practice amp and the usual amps I use on stage. We didnt use samplers. We didnt want any sounds a thousand different people have used before."
On "No More," Lopez piles up layers of grinding rhythms as Stockhams looped drum track adds a hint of funk to the songs message of desperate heartache. Stockham sings lead on "Dead Eye," a mournful tribute to the friends and family hes lost in recent months. The track's loping bass line and shimmering, reverb drenched guitar lines give it a country-esque vibe. "Sing While You Slave" describes the frustrations of a dead end job, alternating punched up guitars and a growling rant with jolts of processed vocals full of quiet desperation. The band shows diversity on tracks like "Leech," which has the bright feel of a 70s glam rock hit in its bouncy backbeat; the heavy surf guitar, tidal bass and primal drumming of "Cut the Line" and the Latin-tinged rapnroll of the title track. "Born Too Late" is a full-on blistering post punk attack, while "Take a Shot" closes the record with a quiet meditation on lifes disappointments.
The album is introduced via its electrifying lead single, "Aunt Betty." Says Stockham, "A lot of the songs on the new record, including 'Aunt Betty, existed as finished demos long before we even set foot in the studio. They were like these elaborate little buildings, finely chiseled, where every ornate detail had a definite purpose. Some needed a facelift, others needed ass implants. In the case of 'Aunt Betty, she just needed some weight in the bottom end - a new foundation. We chopped her in half at the waist, fed her legs to the wolves, and rebuilt some new stems with thunderous thighs and bunda booty."
Keeping with the "anything goes approach," Lopez and Stockham are amplifying their live sound by adding a bassist, guitarist and percussionist. Explains Zack, "We were talking about our touring and figuring out how to play the new songs live and realized we had two choices: either we play to a laptop loaded with tracks, which would be lame, or we bring in some guys to fill out the sound, which seemed cooler. Sean was a little reluctant at first, which then made me reluctant, but we agreed to at least try it. If it works, great. If not, well just go back to the way weve always done it."
The band's roots can be traced back to Sacramento in the early 2000's. Stockham knew he was going to be a drummer from the moment he saw a fellow student bashing the drum kit in a junior high jazz-fusion band. "The sound of the drums in that big practice room was it for me," he says. "Id been singing and dancing since I was four or five, but when I heard those drums, I knew thats what I wanted to do with my life." His parents had gotten him a drum kit and he spent every afternoon in his living room, bashing away to the bands on MTV.
Lopez, meanwhile, had been forced to take piano lessons--not the coolest instrument for a teenage boy. After struggling with a nylon string classical guitar that he couldn't get his fingers around, he got an electric. He learned the basic chords, ditched his teacher and started teaching himself. The two eventually hooked up and together with a friend, formed a band. Zacks mom had a tape deck. As soon as the still-unnamed band started writing songs, theyd record them. "We liked to listen to what we were writing right away," Stockham says. "We needed to hear it come out of a stereo."
The band called itself Leisure. They continued playing until everyone had graduated from high school. Lopez and Stockham were the core of the group, with other singers and guitarists coming and going. Eventually, they got signed by a major label and moved to LA. "We played bad rock music," Lopez says. "Sean and I played well together, but the other guys didnt. Wed always existed as a band within a band, it just took a long time to realize we could do it all ourselves."
Leisure made two albums; the label shelved them both. "The label got us an agent and a business manager, but it was pretty silly," Stockham says. "All this money was flying around, but we started getting disgusted by things that we had to do to keep playing the game. At the end, they didnt want to deal with us and we didnt want to deal with them." The band imploded. Lopez and Stockham stopped playing music for two years. "After the major label deal fell apart, we had to get real jobs," Stockham says. "While I was working, I was thinking, 'If this is what Im going to be doing rest of my life, Im going to go back to making music." The pair reconnected and decided to play as a duo.
They were reenergized and recaptured the excitement they felt when they first started playing together, only this time they could both wail on their instruments, with a bracing intensity and aggression to spare, even when they played acoustic songs.
"We decided to be totally independent," Lopez says. "We booked and promoted ourselves and did a national tour before we had a label, just two of us in a van, with one buddy who did our sound." Stockham had recorded the music he made with Lopez years ago, developing his production skills as they learned how to play. They quickly fell into a pattern of intense songwriting, recording and performing. "Recording our own music was a part of our process, ever since we were kids. As soon as we finished writing a song, we cut it. Thats what we did with Rut."
Lopez agrees. "We cut [everything] on the album live, just threw down guitar and drums and it was finished. If we like something enough to record it, wed capture it with the highest energy possible, right in the moment, everything totally stripped down." The recordings were sold online and at shows as The Blue EP and The Red EP. When DJ Andy Hawk at KWOD in Sacramento played "New Low," things opened up and the band took off. Bright Antennae signed them, their demos became their first album, No Name No Color, and they've never looked back (read: no more day jobs).
"Were super-excited about this record," says Lopez. "The first album was a collection of songs that had been written and recorded over a period of years. This one is way more cohesive from start to finish. When you listen to it, you can tell that it was all written in the same headspace."
The album got off to a good start, with USA Today naming "Aunt Betty" "Song of the Week" in the March 6th edition of the paper. "Its a good sign," says Stockham. "Wait till they hear the other 13 tracks."